And then he'd go, 'That doesn't feel right. Try it again and try extending that part.' So we'd do it and then we'd be thinking to ourselves that it may be too long, but we'd do it anyway. We might be working on a track, and he'd go, 'Oh no, it doesn't feel right. We've been around so long, it's hard to accept criticism from somebody we've never worked with. He just pushes that much more, and that's difficult for a band like us. It was all a bit of a mystery to us… It's sort of left to the last minute, and then he throws it at you. We didn't know how he was going to approach recording. He was only there perhaps ten or 15 minutes at the most. He'd say, 'Phone me up when you've got an idea and I'll come down.' So we'd have a track together and phone him up or e-mail him, and then he'd come down and say, 'Yeah, I like this part, but I don't like that part' or 'I like everything,' whatever it may be, and then he'd go. We didn't know how he was going to work, because through the writing period, we didn't see a lot of him. When Iommi was asked about working with Rubin in a 2013 interview with Guitar Player magazine, he said: "It was fine once we got used to him. Some work, some don't, but it's worth trying." He's got a great track record and he comes up with some great ideas. In an official documentary chronicling the making of the "13" album, Geezer was more complimentary about collaborating with Rubin, saying: "It's great with Rick Rubin in charge. If you've got Rick Rubin involved, then it must be good, kind of thing." But it's good for publicity and it's good for the record company. He was making Tony get 1968 amps - as if that's gonna make it sound like back in 1968. Tony wasn't happy with some of the stuff he was trying to make him play. It's, like, 'Yeah, that's good.' 'No, don't do that.' And you go, 'Why?', 'Just don't do it.' I think Ozzy one day went nuts 'cause he'd done, like, 10 different vocals, and Rick kept saying, 'Yeah, that's great, but do another one.' And Ozzy was, like, 'If it's great, why am I doing another one?' He just lost it. When host Eddie Trunk noted that many other artists who have worked with Rubin walked away from the experience feeling a bit underwhelmed, Butler said: "I still don't know what he did. He played us our very first album, and he said, 'Cast your mind back to then when there was no such thing as heavy metal or anything like that, and pretend it's the follow-up album to that,' which is a ridiculous thing to think." It was a weird experience, especially with being told to forget that you're a heavy metal band. He said: "Some of I liked, some of it I didn't like particularly. This past April, Geezer spoke about Rubin's involvement with "13" during an appearance on SiriusXM's "Trunk Nation With Eddie Trunk" show. We'd gone right back past the point where we took charge, back to when someone else had full control of our recording. But I'll say, wasn't recorded the way BLACK SABBATH recorded records. I'm not saying that one day we might not all go in a room and come up with the perfect BLACK SABBATH album. The only thing I really regret, to be honest, is that Bill Ward didn't play on the album. It wasn't an earth-shattering experience for me."Īs for whether BLACK SABBATH is "totally done" in his mind, Osbourne: "I would like to say it's completely done. Though Geezer did a lot of lyric writing for me, which he's very, very good at. It was like stepping back in time, but it wasn't a glorious period. Although Rick Rubin is a good friend of mine, I wasn't really… I was just singing. Asked if he still feels good about where "13" left things, he responded: "Not really, because, to be perfectly honest, I didn't really get a charge from the album. Released in 2013, it was SABBATH's first LP in 35 years to feature Osbourne, guitarist Tony Iommi and bassist Geezer Butler. In a new interview with Stereogum, BLACK SABBATH singer Ozzy Osbourne reflected on the making of the band's final album, "13".
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